RPMs on turn tables (cheap ones especially) were rarely correct.
Do miss cheap giggles playing queen tunes at 72rpm when made for 33.333333

I bet most of the so called audiophile people only believe in vinyl, because they have bought their first stereo with their very first hard-earned money and during a time where this was basically the only electric device for recreational purposes available to consumer.

When CDs first came out, I could definitely hear the 'digitalness,' compared to vinyl. My friend had really good turntable and all-around excellent audio system. We compared U2 "Unforgettable Fire" on vinyl and CD, and to me the vinyl sounded much smoother and richer.

This is no different than film, where say, a Kubrick film with particular written instructions for the projectionist simply won't have the same experience if remastered into higher quality digital.

Well, actually there's massive amounts of scientifically accurate evidence that says there isn't one, and a whole lot of people saying "I *can* hear a difference, but not if you test me on it!"

Interesting that you selectively quoted me, and in doing so literally cut out the link which shows that people who make this claim can't back it up.

Perhaps use a better setup and stop listening to MP3s?

It's easier to understand because it's a completely different process and not related in any way.

Most of the music I listen to is a lot older. The artist intended for it to be heard like this, as digital didn't exist when they created it.

The Goon is discussing technical fine points.

You are discussing religion.

Once again, it's Science vs. Religion.

Factual proof that not only shows most people cannot tell the difference, but also that they are usually horrendously wrong, well outside of any statistical average that one would expect from a reasoned comparison.

vs.

The belief (confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof -dictionary.com) that "well, I can hear the difference".

Was that "musical" training specifically working as a studio and/or audio engineer?

For once I agree with Whitehound, there is a difference between digital and analogue recordings. It's not so much about the sound, as about the warmth and clarity of the sound, both of which are one of the results of the sounds that a human shouldn't be able to hear, high end audio gear is also important for a good sound, a decent amp providing 7 watts RMS sounds a lot better than some cheap mickey mouse amp boasting 400 watts of bullshit power (PMPO,MAX etc)

O.K. so you you are a musician and not a audio or studio engineer, check.

2001 was an awesome movie. I even have it on laser disk if you want to get into that discussion.

Thou dost assume to much about Doc methinks.

So, now this is a politics thread?

Am I the only person surprised this isn't in OOPE given its turned into a debate on audio engineering, yet everything else gets sent there without much reason?

"logical discourse is dead" -ftfy

Not my fault.

Believe what you will, I choose to believe what can be proven.

For example, I believe that you believe you can 'tell the difference', as is proven by your posting.

Ever try to have logical discourse with a religious fanatic? Same result.